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mr. mandela became a living martyr. so he had the power beyond that. mr. gandhi was killed. dr. king was killed. he survived years beyond his imprisonment and became this huge global moral authority. and against the odds of being considered a terrorist. to go from considered a terrorist to moral authority, the most in the world world, i think about how long the world kept mr. mandela on the terrorist list, until july 2008. that's a source of shame to us. leadership led by the people like robinson and roger wilkins and holmes-norton. they laid the groundwork for his freedom. he always suppressed appreciation. >> may i ask you the last time you met with him and when you left if you got a sense that it would be the last time. >> it was difficult for him to hear at that time. he came to have a meeting. we took pictures together. we laughed. and i asked him about the farm where he finally was captured. and he said something interesting. he changed gears. he said, you know, that was the place i was captured. not full of regrets. and i didn't understand that. he said he became the comm
mr. mandela became a living martyr. so he had the power beyond that. mr. gandhi was killed. dr. king was killed. he survived years beyond his imprisonment and became this huge global moral authority. and against the odds of being considered a terrorist. to go from considered a terrorist to moral authority, the most in the world world, i think about how long the world kept mr. mandela on the terrorist list, until july 2008. that's a source of shame to us. leadership led by the people like...
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the odd thing is i didn't recognize mr. mandela on day one when i met him. this was september or so of 1977. he seemed like one other pretty mucher we met but there was something odd about this prisoner. he was not in a hurry when he met with us. about a half of dozen of us had gone to a reception and we met with him. he had just come out of the office of the commanding officer there and looked us all in the eye and we had a chat and it was -- he clearly was an amazing presence but, at the time, i didn't know who this man was. i later learned about a week or so that the man we had met was mr. mandela. >> that is an amazing story. we have heard from american presidents over the last day who really seem to be in awe of nelson mandela. they treat him like he truly was different. to you, what made him so special? >> i think what made -- by the way, i don't think i realized just quite how important mr. mandela was in all of the years that i spent with him in pretty much. the first two years, we didn't see a lot of him. i was in a section that wasn't allowed to in
the odd thing is i didn't recognize mr. mandela on day one when i met him. this was september or so of 1977. he seemed like one other pretty mucher we met but there was something odd about this prisoner. he was not in a hurry when he met with us. about a half of dozen of us had gone to a reception and we met with him. he had just come out of the office of the commanding officer there and looked us all in the eye and we had a chat and it was -- he clearly was an amazing presence but, at the...
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mr. mandela had the same operation while he was in prison. and when i woke up on labor day 1998, here the president was next to my hospital bed. he took my hand, and he said to me, i have come to see how you are. but your doctors say you are okay. i'm so glad, he said. i went through the same ordeal. now, get better. we still need each other. >> reporter: for all the human side of mandela, it's his superhuman qualities that dazzle even botha. especially recalling what mandela did with all that time in jail. >> he has the capacity to spend 27 years in prison, come out of that prison, and lead a country governed by whites since the first settlers landed here in 1652. in such a way that he was adored by all of the people in this country, ir respectable of the color of their skin. he has that capacity in him, and he never boasted. he remained a humble, very, very humble human being. >> reporter: impressive to botha was mandela's willingness to forgive and work with adversaries. mandela made botha a minister in south africa's first multiracial gov
mr. mandela had the same operation while he was in prison. and when i woke up on labor day 1998, here the president was next to my hospital bed. he took my hand, and he said to me, i have come to see how you are. but your doctors say you are okay. i'm so glad, he said. i went through the same ordeal. now, get better. we still need each other. >> reporter: for all the human side of mandela, it's his superhuman qualities that dazzle even botha. especially recalling what mandela did with all...
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. >> and you first met mr. mandela right after being released from jail. you were in a room alone with him. tell me about that moment. you're young, 20 and impressionable and looking for your place and 20 years later you would be the ambassador for south africa. what happened in that room? >> really pretty incredible to me and hilarious in retrospect. this was immediately after the ticker tape parade we had and i escorted him into city hall, and next i knew we were alone. i discovered in moments of silence, had a weightiness to him. i was probably staring at him awe struck for ten minutes then a voice said, young man, may i trouble you for a glass of water. he said it with a little slight i am patience and it became clear he probably asked several times but i was so dumb struck by him that my feet were rooted. of course, i hurried and got him water and never ever had such pleasure in providing service to another human being. i just wished i could have done more in his service and for his cause. >> we hear people say that nelson mandela is the moral compass
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>> reporter: it's a bit loud here on the street outside of mr. mandela's home. people singing songs and chants from the movement mr. mandela lead here decades ago. all day long here, a steady stream of humanity, as people have shown up, sometimes entire families. here, we show their last respect to the man this entire nation so adored. as the world mourns the death of nelson mandela through song, dance and tears, details about his grand state funeral are coming out. >> we should all work together to organize the most befitting funeral. >> reporter: beginning tomorrow with a national day of prayer and reflection, for south africa. with an official service on tuesday in johannesburg, where thousands are expected to gather at the fnb stadium, the same stadium where mandela made his last public appearance during the 2010 world cup. the services are expected to be the largest in generations, with prominent leaders and dignitaries from across the globe attending, including president obama and the first lady, who travel to south africa next week, to pay respects, bring
>> reporter: it's a bit loud here on the street outside of mr. mandela's home. people singing songs and chants from the movement mr. mandela lead here decades ago. all day long here, a steady stream of humanity, as people have shown up, sometimes entire families. here, we show their last respect to the man this entire nation so adored. as the world mourns the death of nelson mandela through song, dance and tears, details about his grand state funeral are coming out. >> we should all...
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within minutes of mr. mandela's death, a few flowers were placed outside his home. look at it now. in the days to come, there will be more. >> that is for sure. byron pitts tonight. thank you. >>> and some dramatic pictures coming in from overseas, from ukraine. hundreds of thousands of people filling the central square there in the capital. angry that their president is now forging closer ties with russia and moving away from the west. a landmark statue of vladimir lenin was toppled over. people taking turns taking aim. >>> and from iran tonight, state tv is reporting that u.n. inspectors have begun their work. it comes after that landmark short-term nuclear agreement. this weekend in washington, meantime, president obama giving the odds of achieving a long-term agreement with iran 50/50 at best. >>> meantime, the pentagon under fire tonight for its decision to buy combat helicopters made in russia. lawmakers on both sides, asking, why not made in america? here tonight, abc's aditi roy. >> reporter: tonight, new questions arise as to why the pentagon chose to spend more than $1 bi
within minutes of mr. mandela's death, a few flowers were placed outside his home. look at it now. in the days to come, there will be more. >> that is for sure. byron pitts tonight. thank you. >>> and some dramatic pictures coming in from overseas, from ukraine. hundreds of thousands of people filling the central square there in the capital. angry that their president is now forging closer ties with russia and moving away from the west. a landmark statue of vladimir lenin was...
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. >> the government has taken a firm decision to release mr. mandela unconditionally. >> reporter: mandela emerged from behind bars without bitterness, to resume his campaign. >> africa. >> melson mandela sacrificed his personal freedom for our personal freedoms. >> reporter: his work was recognized with a nobel peace prize. as south africa's first black president, mandela remained a humble man. taking delight in a new york tickertape parade. dancing at a concert in his honor. meeting with world leaders and his civil rights hero. >> so help me god. >> reporter: as promised, he stepped down as president of south africa after serving just one term. >> south africa has been a despotic state through almost the whole of the 20th century. mandela's legacy stands against it. that is one of the best and most optimistic qualities that he hands to the people of south africa. >> reporter: by all accounts, the measure of this man can be taken by what he wants to be remembered for. here lies nelson mandela said, a man whos has done his duty on earth. >> kei
. >> the government has taken a firm decision to release mr. mandela unconditionally. >> reporter: mandela emerged from behind bars without bitterness, to resume his campaign. >> africa. >> melson mandela sacrificed his personal freedom for our personal freedoms. >> reporter: his work was recognized with a nobel peace prize. as south africa's first black president, mandela remained a humble man. taking delight in a new york tickertape parade. dancing at a concert...
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the cell of mr. nelson mandela. >> reporter: and into the tiny cells. this is where mandela spent almost two decades. a cold stone cubicle. no plumbing. a thin mat for sleeping. hard labor in the prison rock quarry. a hard life day in and day out. ahmed muhammed cusrata was a fellow political prisoner but now a retired member of parliament. one of mandela's closest friends. >> we were sentenced to life in imprisonment, and we knew that for political prisoners, life meant life. >> reporter: but he said mandela never asked for special treatment. in fact, he refused it. >> he could have been exempted from work at the quarry. he refused. 1977, 13 years after we were in prison, he was offered release. he refused. >> reporter: over the years in prison, mandela developed a unique friendship with this man. one of his guards, crito brand. >> i don't know at all who mandela was when i started at robben island. >> reporter: a warm friendship began to develop and one day brand broke all the rules for madiba as mandela was called by his friends. mandela's wife winni
the cell of mr. nelson mandela. >> reporter: and into the tiny cells. this is where mandela spent almost two decades. a cold stone cubicle. no plumbing. a thin mat for sleeping. hard labor in the prison rock quarry. a hard life day in and day out. ahmed muhammed cusrata was a fellow political prisoner but now a retired member of parliament. one of mandela's closest friends. >> we were sentenced to life in imprisonment, and we knew that for political prisoners, life meant life....
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rohit, this was not entirely unexpected news, given mr. mandela's health. how are south africans reacting? >> reporter: mara this was predictable news but painful none theless, announced late at night just before midnight south african time. many millions of south africans are still waking up to learn the news the father of this nation passed away during yesterday evening. first the mood here at nelson mandela's suburban home was fairly somber. now it is incredibly cell la braer to. people are bringing flowers, cheering, singing songs from the anti-apartheid struggle. they're celebrating his life and celebrating the lives they can now lead as a result of his anti-apartheid struggle. many people wondering here precisely what will happen next? what will the state event be. they're waiting for details about a lying in state which is expected in the next few days and about a burial which one american diplomat described as being the biggest state burial in the world since that of winston churhill. >> celebration of a remarkable life, rohit kachroo, thank you for
rohit, this was not entirely unexpected news, given mr. mandela's health. how are south africans reacting? >> reporter: mara this was predictable news but painful none theless, announced late at night just before midnight south african time. many millions of south africans are still waking up to learn the news the father of this nation passed away during yesterday evening. first the mood here at nelson mandela's suburban home was fairly somber. now it is incredibly cell la braer to....
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a distant part of this country where mr. mandela was born and where he grew up as a young boy. so several events still for many days packed with a lot of emotion as the country and world say good-bye and farewell and pay tribute to nelson mandela. now back to you. >>> breaking news just coming into our newsroom. an after-school worker at a bay area catholic school is under arrest, accused of having a sexual relationship with a student. police in hayward say 29-year-old mia cummings and the 14-year-old victim have had an inappropriate relationship for two years. cummings is an after-school program assistant at all saints catholic school. she is facing eight felony counts of lewd acts with a child. police do not believe cummings victimized any other children. >>> still to come, first the sales now the holiday shipping crunch. but how do you make sure your packages are safe? the answer is coming up in a live report. >>> a coalition of high-tech companies take on government spying. we'll take a look coming up in business and tech. >>> and a fixer upper. definitely an understatement
a distant part of this country where mr. mandela was born and where he grew up as a young boy. so several events still for many days packed with a lot of emotion as the country and world say good-bye and farewell and pay tribute to nelson mandela. now back to you. >>> breaking news just coming into our newsroom. an after-school worker at a bay area catholic school is under arrest, accused of having a sexual relationship with a student. police in hayward say 29-year-old mia cummings and...
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mr. newman made it home yet? >> he hasn't. he has not come home. apparently they have some alternative arrangements in place. he landed a couple hours ago at the san francisco international airport. he looked terrific. he seemed to be in good spirits. this is a guy who is 85 years old who had been in custody since the end of october and this is what he said just moments after landing. >> good morning. i'm delighted to be home. i want to thank the swedish i'm ba embassy in bong yaponyongyang a british embassy. i'm tired but i'm ready to be with my family now. and thank you all for the support we got and very much appreciate it. >> well, mr. newman was an intelligence officer during the korean war and did some top secret work. apparently he had a burning desire to go back. and it's clear a he said the wrong thing to someone and he was taken into custody, as you said, he was accused of war crimes. no one knew what was going to happen to him. he did give this sort of stilted apology a few day
mr. newman made it home yet? >> he hasn't. he has not come home. apparently they have some alternative arrangements in place. he landed a couple hours ago at the san francisco international airport. he looked terrific. he seemed to be in good spirits. this is a guy who is 85 years old who had been in custody since the end of october and this is what he said just moments after landing. >> good morning. i'm delighted to be home. i want to thank the swedish i'm ba embassy in bong...
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my wife when i'd come home would say, did he see mr. mandela. yes. what did he say? how is joyce? she said, he didn't say that. he did. he was a very likable guy what a sweetheart. every year i send him a note, e-mail that says happy birthday madiba. he and i both born in july. happy birthday, madiba. when you're 109, i'll be 100 and we'll meet and have a drink. i won't get to send that note anymore. >> clearly an emotional situation for you. >> indeed. >> and for the world. mayor dinkins, as always, our gratitude. >> nice to see you again. >> used to cover you all the time. >> i know. >> while the world remembers nelson mandela, a wonderful tribute from someone who knew him calling him a sweetheart. we'll be right back. this is the quicksilver cash back card from capital one. it's not the "fumbling around with rotating categories" card. it's not the etting blindsided by limits" card. it's the no-game-playing, no-earning-limit-having, deep-bomb-throwing, give-me-the-ball-and-i'll-take- it-to-the-house, cash back card. this is the quicksilver cash card from capital one. unlimited 1
my wife when i'd come home would say, did he see mr. mandela. yes. what did he say? how is joyce? she said, he didn't say that. he did. he was a very likable guy what a sweetheart. every year i send him a note, e-mail that says happy birthday madiba. he and i both born in july. happy birthday, madiba. when you're 109, i'll be 100 and we'll meet and have a drink. i won't get to send that note anymore. >> clearly an emotional situation for you. >> indeed. >> and for the world....
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today president and mrs. obama were seen boarding air force one and on board a kind of presidential car pool. former first lady, secretary hillary clinton and laura bush and former president george w. bush. on board the group sharing memories of mandela as all eyes turned toward johannesburg and the service now just hours away. abc's chief foreign correspondent terry moran is there. >> reporter: doves released into the skies outside nelson mandela's home today, a fitting tribute for a great man of peace. in johannesburg, meanwhile, it was all business. workers prepping the fnb stadium, capacity 94,000, for the massive memorial service taking place here tomorrow. security preparations are intense, and with good reason. the world has never seen a gathering of leaders like this one. flying in from more than 90 countries, from argentina to pakistan, trinidad to china, including four u.s. presidents, obama, who has been chosen to speak tomorrow and three of his predecessors which has the american ambassador here s
today president and mrs. obama were seen boarding air force one and on board a kind of presidential car pool. former first lady, secretary hillary clinton and laura bush and former president george w. bush. on board the group sharing memories of mandela as all eyes turned toward johannesburg and the service now just hours away. abc's chief foreign correspondent terry moran is there. >> reporter: doves released into the skies outside nelson mandela's home today, a fitting tribute for a...
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"good afternoon, mr. mandela." he said "the name is nelson. welcome." so we became friends. >> reporter: for 18 of the 27 years he s:e mandela walked down this corridor everyday and at the end of this walk there was no freedom, there was this. an eight foot square cell with a mattress on the floor for his bed and a bucket for a toilet. mandela was allowed one visitor a year for half an hour. mandela and daniels were among 30 political prisoners isolated in what was simply called "b" block. >> we sat on the brick. >> reporter: mandela and his fellow inmates worked long days in the yard sitting on bricks ordered only to look straight ahead they smashed slate into gravel with hammers. black inmates wore short pants in all weather. the apartheid regime's way of reminding them that all black men were considered boys no matter what their age. the yard is now just another stop on the robben island tourist route. but no visitor can imagine what it meant to eddie daniels when his jailors allowed the "b" block pris
"good afternoon, mr. mandela." he said "the name is nelson. welcome." so we became friends. >> reporter: for 18 of the 27 years he s:e mandela walked down this corridor everyday and at the end of this walk there was no freedom, there was this. an eight foot square cell with a mattress on the floor for his bed and a bucket for a toilet. mandela was allowed one visitor a year for half an hour. mandela and daniels were among 30 political prisoners isolated in what was...
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mr. nelson mandela will be released on sunday the 11th of february at about 3:00 p.m. >> so it was. february 11th, 1990, nelson mandela walked free. his wife at his side. ♪ black south africa erupted in orgy of celebration. >> we begin in south africa where it is welcome home day for nelson mandela. >> good morning, charlie. nelson mandela has been in johannesburg for about 18 hours but his real homecoming when he arrived in soweta in a town he hasn't seen nor 27 years. >> looking back, amazing scenes. the astonishing pictures, four years later in 1994 when fights stood with blacks in line to vote in south africa's first nonracial election, to elect nelson mandela, president. >> he wins them over. he seduces them. >> the book "playing the enemy" was turned in to the movie. there is no better example of how he seduced all races than the day south africa beat new zealand in the 1995 rugby world cup final. >> goal. >> rugby had been the white man's sport. the green jersey a symbol of apart
mr. nelson mandela will be released on sunday the 11th of february at about 3:00 p.m. >> so it was. february 11th, 1990, nelson mandela walked free. his wife at his side. ♪ black south africa erupted in orgy of celebration. >> we begin in south africa where it is welcome home day for nelson mandela. >> good morning, charlie. nelson mandela has been in johannesburg for about 18 hours but his real homecoming when he arrived in soweta in a town he hasn't seen nor 27 years....
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i think that we really, as a nation, despite having anticipated that mr. mandela must go some time, that we really remain shocked that it has actually come to pass. i think that it's a shock filled withing anxiety about life aft nelson mandela. and i believe that every south african, wherever they stood in the apartheid years and wherever they've stood for the last 20 years, are absolutely united in their grief for nelson mandela's departure. and every south african are united, i hope, in the understanding that we need to emulate him. we need to live up to the values and the i deals that he had stood for and that we need to find our better selves in order for us to make us a success of south africa. >> is there love -- love for nelson mandela among white south africans as well? >> i think that there is enormous love. i don't think it started out that way. i think that when he was a prisoner, there was this fear of nelson mandela and the fact that after incarcerating him for 27 years, how angry must he be? how bitter will he be? how vengeful will he be? and
i think that we really, as a nation, despite having anticipated that mr. mandela must go some time, that we really remain shocked that it has actually come to pass. i think that it's a shock filled withing anxiety about life aft nelson mandela. and i believe that every south african, wherever they stood in the apartheid years and wherever they've stood for the last 20 years, are absolutely united in their grief for nelson mandela's departure. and every south african are united, i hope, in the...
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mr. president, thanks for joining us. what are you going to miss most about this great man? >> well, over a long period of years, i was a very close friend of nelson mandela. i knew him first the first time he ever left south africa. he visited other countries in africa and i happened to be there and meet he and his wife winnie. since then he helped us with many projects that the carter center carries on. about six years ago, nelson and others formed a group called the elders, of which i'm still a member, and so is his wife, graca machel. i think the last public meeting he had was with the elder members of the elders so nelson has meant a lot to me. obviously when he was still in prison, he was an inspiration, a courageous and embattled person who didn't want to fight back and continue with violence. he's just a very close personal friend whom i've known for many events. used to come over here and go with me to give an annual human rights award. by the way, i remember that the first time
mr. president, thanks for joining us. what are you going to miss most about this great man? >> well, over a long period of years, i was a very close friend of nelson mandela. i knew him first the first time he ever left south africa. he visited other countries in africa and i happened to be there and meet he and his wife winnie. since then he helped us with many projects that the carter center carries on. about six years ago, nelson and others formed a group called the elders, of which...
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. >> up next, remembering nelson mandela, the president and mrs. obama are on the way to south africa right now for what is becoming a massive memorial, perhaps the largest in world history. heads of state will be gagering to pay respects. it will be a security nightmare for agents around the world. >> cans on across the country thanks to a wintry mix. we will have none other than jim cantore who will be live from the snowy northeast. a look ahead at the politics planner. >> it will bed bidens for them for a holiday celebration. you are watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. once upon a time, an insurance clerk stumbled upon a cottage. [knock] no one was at home, but on the kitchen table sat three insurance policies. the first had lots of coverage. the second, only a little. but the third was... just right! bear: hi! yeah, we love visitors. that's why we moved to a secluded house in the middle of the wilderness. just the right coverage at just the right price. coverage checker from progressive. you may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec
. >> up next, remembering nelson mandela, the president and mrs. obama are on the way to south africa right now for what is becoming a massive memorial, perhaps the largest in world history. heads of state will be gagering to pay respects. it will be a security nightmare for agents around the world. >> cans on across the country thanks to a wintry mix. we will have none other than jim cantore who will be live from the snowy northeast. a look ahead at the politics planner. >>...
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and you said, i will only respond to the name mandela or mr. mandela. >> you must fight the battle for dignity. on the very first day you go there. >> really? >> that's what we did. we put our foot down and insisted, in being respected, even though we're prisoners. >> how is there no bitterness? >> well, i hated oppression. and when i think about the things they did, i feel angry. the white minority is an animal. we must never talk with them. but our brains said, if you don't talk to this man, your country will go up in flames. and for many years to come, this country would be engulfed in rivers of blood. so, we had to reconcile that conflict. and i went talking to the enemy, was the result of the domination of the brave of our emotions. >> this has not happened before or since. that as he was leaving the building, every one of the harpo staff, the 300 people in the building, lined the hallway to shake his hand. now call it the nelson mandela hallway here at harpo. >> tells a great story about that appearance. in nelson mandela was waiting back
and you said, i will only respond to the name mandela or mr. mandela. >> you must fight the battle for dignity. on the very first day you go there. >> really? >> that's what we did. we put our foot down and insisted, in being respected, even though we're prisoners. >> how is there no bitterness? >> well, i hated oppression. and when i think about the things they did, i feel angry. the white minority is an animal. we must never talk with them. but our brains said,...
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mr. mandela, became a symbol of hope around. world for his life long struggle against the apartheid system of racial segregation in his country. he spent 27 years in prison for defying that system. after his release he sought not revenge but reconciliation. mr. mandela went on to push for one of the most progressive constitutions on planet and became south africa's first democrat exly elected black president. he chronicled end of apartheid and mandela's election and serving as african correspondent for the bbc. tom, thanks for joining us today with your thoughts. and what were they when you first got the news that mandela pass ad way? >> i had a lot of emotions both at a personal level and a professional one. i had the same feelings that everyone had, this was absolute titan of the global stage whose like we'll probably never see in our lifetimes again. these sort of men only only come around everyone hundred years or some i have memories when i met him during the time i was in south africa, particularly of his personal warmth a
mr. mandela, became a symbol of hope around. world for his life long struggle against the apartheid system of racial segregation in his country. he spent 27 years in prison for defying that system. after his release he sought not revenge but reconciliation. mr. mandela went on to push for one of the most progressive constitutions on planet and became south africa's first democrat exly elected black president. he chronicled end of apartheid and mandela's election and serving as african...
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ideology should not define a person who does tremendous things as mr. mandela did for his people. that was my point. ron from pennsylvania. st. nicholas was a greek bishop serving in turkey. the statement was his association with christmas began in holland. juan gutierrez, el paso, texas. we saw the santa predicament by telling our daughter he works for jesus. michael from virginia. bill, i figured out a way to get my mail read. mention the bolder, fresher tour. bingo, mike. we'll see you in...
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some other world leaders who plan to attend for mr. mandela are the u.n. secretary-general ban ki-moon, david cameron, prince charles is going. the french president, francois hollande and even the cuban president, as we said he had ties with cuba in the past, raul castro, list goes on and on of dignitaries. >> of course, with president obama and three of his predecessors going to south africa, you can imagine what robin was talking about, and that is security and the kind of complex situation they're dealing with potentially a nightmare. secret service had very little time to prepare for the trip. athena jones is joining us at the white house. we're very much aware of what it takes. there's not a lot of advance work when you have the limited amount of time. air force one expected to touch down what, early tomorrow morning? >> early tomorrow morning. i think about 1:00 a.m., they'll be making a fuel stop on the way. bottom line, these are the kinds of trips that take weeks and months to prepare. this was compressed into a very short time line. the spokesman
some other world leaders who plan to attend for mr. mandela are the u.n. secretary-general ban ki-moon, david cameron, prince charles is going. the french president, francois hollande and even the cuban president, as we said he had ties with cuba in the past, raul castro, list goes on and on of dignitaries. >> of course, with president obama and three of his predecessors going to south africa, you can imagine what robin was talking about, and that is security and the kind of complex...
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except mr. mandela. i find him outstanding. being terribly cool and relaxed. that's the first time i met him. again, i met mr. mandela in his office, in his law office in johannesburg in 1952 where he posed for me for a photograph in front of his desk. again, i found i had this impression of him being a very relaxed and self controlled person. >> i want to go back to the first picture we showed. i understand it is your favorite. it is of mandela in his cell on robben island in 1994. voted one of the most memorable images of the 20th century. give us insight into this moment. if you spoke with him or what he was thinking at that moment. >> it is very difficult for me to know what he was thinking. i imagine that at that time, he had spent 17 years in this cell. i asked him if he would stand against the window and look out through the bars. he did that for me. i photographed a number of pictures of him standing looking out. there was a moment of total quietness and it was a very thoughtful moment. i noticed the different frames i shot as the expressions changed f
except mr. mandela. i find him outstanding. being terribly cool and relaxed. that's the first time i met him. again, i met mr. mandela in his office, in his law office in johannesburg in 1952 where he posed for me for a photograph in front of his desk. again, i found i had this impression of him being a very relaxed and self controlled person. >> i want to go back to the first picture we showed. i understand it is your favorite. it is of mandela in his cell on robben island in 1994. voted...
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in immediately said to him, mr. mandela, you have to know that's microphone not a weapon. he said when i first saw it i thought it was a shotgun. we both laughed and a picture was taken. >> we saw that moment earlier in the broadcast. >> i think it's important we understand the context of mandela's release was in a global movement. you have maxine waters, harry bellafonte, people that created this movement of die vestment that set the climate who were ostracized for supporting a terrorist group. they took the risk politically here to fight to create that day that we consider triumphant. i don't think we should whitewash or sugarcoat the development of where handlea ended up being recorded by great in this country. >> that was an exceptional time in the world. when mandela was released in '90, gorbachev bringing down the soviet union and czechoslavkia and poland and china gave some economic freedom. historians will be writing of that year '89 and '90 great men coming on the world stage and changing oppression that had existed for so long. >> representative waters, you were
in immediately said to him, mr. mandela, you have to know that's microphone not a weapon. he said when i first saw it i thought it was a shotgun. we both laughed and a picture was taken. >> we saw that moment earlier in the broadcast. >> i think it's important we understand the context of mandela's release was in a global movement. you have maxine waters, harry bellafonte, people that created this movement of die vestment that set the climate who were ostracized for supporting a...
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mr. obama referred to mandela by his south african name of endearment. madiba. >> madiba's words give us a compass in a sea of change. >> with mandela's passing, the president said others must now hold his moral compass. >> it falls to us as best we can to form the example that he set. to make decisions guided not by hate, but by love. never discount the difference that one person can make, to strive for a future worthy of his sacrifice. >> president obama will travel to south africa for services for mandela and is expected to be one of many world leaders asked to eulogize the political prisoner who became president. >> colin powell witnessed an historic moment when mandela was sworn in. mandela's leadership that day set his country on a path to unity and inspired the world. the former secretary of state is in washington. general powell, good morning. >> good morning, charlie, how are you? >> remember the inauguration for us and why it's so touched you. >> i'll never forget it. it was a remarkable day. we were all assembled in front of the union halls an
mr. obama referred to mandela by his south african name of endearment. madiba. >> madiba's words give us a compass in a sea of change. >> with mandela's passing, the president said others must now hold his moral compass. >> it falls to us as best we can to form the example that he set. to make decisions guided not by hate, but by love. never discount the difference that one person can make, to strive for a future worthy of his sacrifice. >> president obama will travel to...
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his long walk to freedom, mr. mandela's constant fight for equality personified what my father often said injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. we showed briefly a second ago in new york city the apollo theatre marquis honors mandela. mayor bookberg announced he'll open a high school in honor of mandela. how much impact do you think mandela's life and times have on the civil rights movement and certainly during '80s and '90s when advocates demanded sanctions against apartheid in south africa. >> how much did it have? >> how much did it raise the credibility? >> tremendously. the fact the united states came on board. fortunately the united states came on board. it might have been a little late some would say. if you looked at other country they had come on board much earlier. what the united states did, students and universities started to say we want to divest our holdings in south africa. that was huge. when you impact a nation economically, then the community has to pay attention. business had to
his long walk to freedom, mr. mandela's constant fight for equality personified what my father often said injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. we showed briefly a second ago in new york city the apollo theatre marquis honors mandela. mayor bookberg announced he'll open a high school in honor of mandela. how much impact do you think mandela's life and times have on the civil rights movement and certainly during '80s and '90s when advocates demanded sanctions against apartheid in...
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mandela would simply not see a free south africa. and those who were in our 20s at the time, i thought by the time change came in south africa, we would be pretty old and not make a contribution to a democratic south africa. i thought it would be extremely bloody and conflict ridden. and we would inherit a country that would take time to heal and rebuild and just get people together again. i was convinced that it was never going to happen in -- in -- so soon. even by '85 i didn't think it would happen in the lifetime of many, many people who have played a good and leading role in building a democratic south africa. >> and nelson mandela was freed from prison in 1990 as inaugurated as president of south africa in 1994. thank you so much for joining us and reflecting on this important day. our deepest on dole lances to you and everyone in south africa on this huge, huge loss. he went on to become the ceo of the nelson mandela foundation, by the way. >>> joining us later today, i'll be edit sitting down and speaking with former presiden
mandela would simply not see a free south africa. and those who were in our 20s at the time, i thought by the time change came in south africa, we would be pretty old and not make a contribution to a democratic south africa. i thought it would be extremely bloody and conflict ridden. and we would inherit a country that would take time to heal and rebuild and just get people together again. i was convinced that it was never going to happen in -- in -- so soon. even by '85 i didn't think it would...
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. >> we see just in the live shot from there, people are celebrating mr. mandela's life and the impact that he made on all of us, but you're looking at the sheer number of people. there's no reason for us to expect there would be any violence, keeping the area secure with 95,000 people half the world leaders in this open air stadium is an incredible sikt as ron pointed out. >> it's an extremely complex undertaking. close to 100 heads of state and government attending and each of those leaders comes a delegat n delegation -- as he alluded to with regards to the stadium, obviously, security concerns that the south african and other security officials will be forced to deal with. >> politico is reporting shortly after the announcement on thursday that nelson mandela passed away, secret service and american military personnel were en route to prepare for president obama's arrival here. what would you compare this to in events that you worked on? the first thing for me that came in mind watching the pope in south america earlier this year, wherefore whatever re
. >> we see just in the live shot from there, people are celebrating mr. mandela's life and the impact that he made on all of us, but you're looking at the sheer number of people. there's no reason for us to expect there would be any violence, keeping the area secure with 95,000 people half the world leaders in this open air stadium is an incredible sikt as ron pointed out. >> it's an extremely complex undertaking. close to 100 heads of state and government attending and each of...
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passing through mr. mandela's mind at this moment. >> reporter: after 27 years in prison nelson mandela walked into freedom, against all odds the leader of rebellion against south africa's white apartheid government became the leader of national unity. mandela's decades long rebellion transformed him from a convicted trader into a freedom fighter and international hero. >> i have fought very firmly against apartheid on the nation. >> reporter: mandela was born into approved family. he support -- into a privileged family. he supported nonviolence to bring about change. he became a lawyer and opened the first south african law firm to defend blacks who were forced from their land, but in 1960 mandela turned militant when 69 black protesters were massacred. >> many use fear, but it is useless and futile for us to continue talking peace and nonviolence. >> reporter: mandela lived up to his tribal name troublemaker repeatedly challenging authority. he was convicted of sabotage and conspiracy to overthrow the
passing through mr. mandela's mind at this moment. >> reporter: after 27 years in prison nelson mandela walked into freedom, against all odds the leader of rebellion against south africa's white apartheid government became the leader of national unity. mandela's decades long rebellion transformed him from a convicted trader into a freedom fighter and international hero. >> i have fought very firmly against apartheid on the nation. >> reporter: mandela was born into approved...
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for that, as always, mr. ron claiborne. >> in the news, dignitaries around the world will be arriving in south africa next week for a memorial service on tuesday for nelson mandela. a private burial in qunu is set up for next sunday. >>> and the 85-year-old veteran in north korea for a month, is on his way home. merrill newman flew from pyongyang to beijing on saturday. the north koreans accused-i'm committing hostile acts during the korean war. >>> and federal regulators are calling for major changes following last sunday's deadly derailment in new york city. the railroad will be required to have two people operating rains that ride on potentially dangerous routes. four people were killed in the derailment. dozens of others were injured. >>> and bob dylan's electric guitar, the one that made rock history 50 years ago, it is once again in the record books. the sunburst fender stratocaster sold for $950,000. it marked dylan's move from acusten folk music to electric rock 'n' roll. anyone can name the first son
for that, as always, mr. ron claiborne. >> in the news, dignitaries around the world will be arriving in south africa next week for a memorial service on tuesday for nelson mandela. a private burial in qunu is set up for next sunday. >>> and the 85-year-old veteran in north korea for a month, is on his way home. merrill newman flew from pyongyang to beijing on saturday. the north koreans accused-i'm committing hostile acts during the korean war. >>> and federal...
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the photograph was taken when mandela visited washington in 2005. and mr. obama was then a brand-new united states senator from illinois. here was mr. obama's reaction late today to the death. >> we have lost one of the most influential, courageous and profoundly good human beings that any of us will share time with on this earth. he no longer belongs to us, he belongs to the ages. through his dignity and unbending will to sacrifice his own freedom for the freedom of others, he transformed south africa and moved all of us. >> pelley: president obama used the word modiba an honorary tightle that translates at father. major garrett at the white house tells us this evening mr. obama plans to attend the state funeral in south africa. that is likely to be in about ten days. nelson mandela will be remembered as a man who emerged from a tiny village to become a defining figure of our time. he was born on july 18th, 1918 in a village called mvezo. his mother named him holy sashava meaning troublemaker, but later a teacher renamed him nelson. he moved to johannesbur
the photograph was taken when mandela visited washington in 2005. and mr. obama was then a brand-new united states senator from illinois. here was mr. obama's reaction late today to the death. >> we have lost one of the most influential, courageous and profoundly good human beings that any of us will share time with on this earth. he no longer belongs to us, he belongs to the ages. through his dignity and unbending will to sacrifice his own freedom for the freedom of others, he...
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mr. obama delivered his eulogy emphasizing that mandela's jury know continues as -- journey continues as does the struggle for equality. >> for around the world today, we still see children suffering from hunger and disease. we still see rundown schools. we still see young people without prospects for the future. around the world today, men and women are still in prison for their political beliefs. and are still persecuted for what they lock like and how they worship and who they love. that is happening. >> reporter: the four hour ceremony is being held in the national soccer stadium. it's where mandela made his first major speech after being released from prison in 1990. he passed away last week at 95. before the world leaders began their speeches, it was the south africans who gave the most heartfelt tributes saying that mandela gave up his freedom for theirs. reporting live in the newsroom, cate caugurian, kpix 5. >> his body will lie in state until friday and he will be given an offic
mr. obama delivered his eulogy emphasizing that mandela's jury know continues as -- journey continues as does the struggle for equality. >> for around the world today, we still see children suffering from hunger and disease. we still see rundown schools. we still see young people without prospects for the future. around the world today, men and women are still in prison for their political beliefs. and are still persecuted for what they lock like and how they worship and who they love....
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said the world has lost one of its great moral leaders. >> despite his long years of captivity, mr. mandela left prison with his mind closed to any settling of scores and his heart open to those he had fought against. >> mandela in his fight for equality influenced not just world leaders, but also the people of the world. >> it's been an inspiration for generations growing up. he stood for the civil rights, not just people in south africa but people around the world and his legacy goes on. >> reporter: people here continuing to stop to pay their respects. some shedding tears. one note read, quote. thank you for creating a pathway to freedom for all of us, a message that is being heard around the world. michaela? >> thank you, erin. so many felt he was fighting for their freedom as well. freedom from poverty, oppression, whatever. >> i met some kids in south africa that said he is like the madiba. they feel like someone they have a personal connection with and vital to them. >> he was known for visiting dignitaries, he would go around and greet the workers first to shake sure he spen
said the world has lost one of its great moral leaders. >> despite his long years of captivity, mr. mandela left prison with his mind closed to any settling of scores and his heart open to those he had fought against. >> mandela in his fight for equality influenced not just world leaders, but also the people of the world. >> it's been an inspiration for generations growing up. he stood for the civil rights, not just people in south africa but people around the world and his...
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yet politics has not been absent in the days since mr. mandela's passing, kate. i think what had happened in some corners of the conservative blogosphere, twittersphere -- i'm not from the 20th century. please don't ask me to use these words. on his facebook page commenters, including this person who couldn't spend his name called him a commune nist involved in torture, terror, murder and they have lost a lot of respect for senator cruz. it's amazing to me the vitriol that exists in parts of american society. people like nelson mandela who should be a hero for everybody the world over and especially here in the united states. >> he was a political person so people are going to have political feelings about him. kudos to senator cruz for what's being said on his facebook and going. he obviously wanted to go. >> which is less about nelson mandela and more about ted cruz. jonathan, in fairness if we're talking about conservatives who are quote, unquote, doing the right thing, newt gingrich called nelson mandela one of the greatest leaders of our lifetime and got a b
yet politics has not been absent in the days since mr. mandela's passing, kate. i think what had happened in some corners of the conservative blogosphere, twittersphere -- i'm not from the 20th century. please don't ask me to use these words. on his facebook page commenters, including this person who couldn't spend his name called him a commune nist involved in torture, terror, murder and they have lost a lot of respect for senator cruz. it's amazing to me the vitriol that exists in parts of...
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the president and mrs. obama are expected tt land at andrews air force base at approximately midnight tonight. the president president of michelle obama spent most of
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mr. mandela's body is being prepared now for his lying in state. that will happen late they are week. on tuesday, there will be an official memorial service, then there will be a state funeral on sunday in the village where he grew up. >>> number four, mexican police have recovered stolen radioactive material and are grilling six men who may be connected to the theft. the men tested negative for any poisoning from that material. they're now in police custody. mexican authorities say they've recovered all of the lost cobalt-60 material, but they've been tight-lipped about whether they've made any arrests in the broader case. >>> services will be held today in hawaii to mark the 72nd anniversary of the japanese attack on pearl harbor. lots of veterans and survivors are angry that the traditional missing-man flyover, you saw one there, has been cancelled this year. because of military budget constraints. >>> blockbuster jobs report for november. >> yeah. >> and it could not have come at a better time really for president obama. he's not had a lot of g
mr. mandela's body is being prepared now for his lying in state. that will happen late they are week. on tuesday, there will be an official memorial service, then there will be a state funeral on sunday in the village where he grew up. >>> number four, mexican police have recovered stolen radioactive material and are grilling six men who may be connected to the theft. the men tested negative for any poisoning from that material. they're now in police custody. mexican authorities say...
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obama who met mandela shortly after becoming first lady. president bush and laura bush have been invited to travel with the obamas, and former president clinton and hillary clinton will travel to the tribute for nelson mandela. from south africa we hear from one of his friends who described those final visits with the man he revered. abc's byron pitts from outside mandela's home. >> reporter: nowhere has admiration for nelson mandela been stronger, expressed more passionately than a few feet from his doorstep outside his home where the beloved statesman took his last breath. >> by singing and dancing, it's a way of showing our appreciation. >> he represents this country. >> reporter: nelson mandela will be laid to rest in grand style. tuesday, a memorial service ke the world has never seen. some 95,000 people packed inside the stadium. wednesday through friday the former president will lay in state in pretoria, the nation's legislative capital. next sunday mandela will be laid to rest in the small village of his boyhood on the eastern cape.
obama who met mandela shortly after becoming first lady. president bush and laura bush have been invited to travel with the obamas, and former president clinton and hillary clinton will travel to the tribute for nelson mandela. from south africa we hear from one of his friends who described those final visits with the man he revered. abc's byron pitts from outside mandela's home. >> reporter: nowhere has admiration for nelson mandela been stronger, expressed more passionately than a few...
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when mr. clinton got caught up in scandal mandela visiting the white house stood by him saying our morality does not allow us to desert our friends. recently we asked mr. clinton about their special bond. >> you met with nelson mandela more than any president. and i wonder what was your relationship in those days? >> well, we became good friends. i met him, ironically in 1992 i met him at the democratic convention in new york when i was being nominated for president. we had business to do. they were one of the countries that voluntarily gave up their nuclear arsenal. and in the process of that we became good personal friends. we used to do business together on the phone where their time difference was so great i would take the call at night. and it wasn't too late mandela would make me go get chelsea every time he called and he would talk to her and ask her if she was doing her homework. he was an enormous help to me during every difficult time i had as president. and he did it all, interestin
when mr. clinton got caught up in scandal mandela visiting the white house stood by him saying our morality does not allow us to desert our friends. recently we asked mr. clinton about their special bond. >> you met with nelson mandela more than any president. and i wonder what was your relationship in those days? >> well, we became good friends. i met him, ironically in 1992 i met him at the democratic convention in new york when i was being nominated for president. we had business...
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it was him and his wife, winnie mandela. it says mr. and mrs. mandela, welcome home. we love you. we love you. we love you. it says welcome home again. many south africans find a home here in harlem and today a tribute to the newspapers here -- by the newspapers here in new york city. this is "the daily news." it says farewell, dear friend, the world mourns the death of south africa's giant. kate, chris? >> beautiful headlines on many newspapers this morning. >> remember how he changed this country when he came in 1990. the t-shirts, power to the people. he was an extraordinary man. as a result he'll have an extraordinary farewell. the first public event will happen on monday when mandela will receive a memorial service in johannesburg's soccer stadium. some heads of state are likely to attend, including president obama. starting tuesday, there will be three days of lying in state in pretoria. on day ten there will be a funeral and, of course, we will be buried. >>> he had quite a sense of humor as well. you'll hear from him in his own words and we'll hear from those who knew him
it was him and his wife, winnie mandela. it says mr. and mrs. mandela, welcome home. we love you. we love you. we love you. it says welcome home again. many south africans find a home here in harlem and today a tribute to the newspapers here -- by the newspapers here in new york city. this is "the daily news." it says farewell, dear friend, the world mourns the death of south africa's giant. kate, chris? >> beautiful headlines on many newspapers this morning. >> remember...
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mr. newman had to say before boarding his plane to the united states. >> i'm very glad to be on my way home. i appreciate the tolerance the dprk government has given to me to be on my way. >> how do you feel now? >> i feel good. i feel good. >> what will you have to do, first thing? >> first thing, what would you like to do? >> go home and see my wife. [ laughter ] >> reporter: newman had lived most of his life in palo alto, following his militarily service, he was a high schoolteacher and later became a successful silicon valley executive. he is said to have been a world traveler, was a scuba diver, had sailed around the world. so even given his age, again, 85 years old, it wasn't terribly surprising to people who knew him that he would want to go back to north korea. fred? >> and, dan, is there a better explanation as to why he was quote/unquote deported now? >> reporter: it's a very good question. you know, he did give that, what can only be characterized as a stilted apology when he w
mr. newman had to say before boarding his plane to the united states. >> i'm very glad to be on my way home. i appreciate the tolerance the dprk government has given to me to be on my way. >> how do you feel now? >> i feel good. i feel good. >> what will you have to do, first thing? >> first thing, what would you like to do? >> go home and see my wife. [ laughter ] >> reporter: newman had lived most of his life in palo alto, following his militarily...
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. >> my relations with mr. declerk are very good. he is one of those south africans i hold in high regard. we have had differences. we have said cruel things against each other. but at the end of the day, we're able to shake hands and to think in the interests of south africa, and he has had an experience which i have not had. and if my organization comes out with a majority in this elections, i will have to depend very much on his support, his experience. >> what happens when nelson mandela has to use force against elements of south africa's black community? are you willing and able to take on the political pressures that will take place? >> i don't expect that the government has succeeding governments would rely on a solution on force. we depend on the people. we depend on persuasion, and i don't visualize any period when we'll have to use force. >> let's talk about this word expectation. it has become almost an expression, something you hear throughout your country, and that is that the blacks expect a new car and a new home the d
. >> my relations with mr. declerk are very good. he is one of those south africans i hold in high regard. we have had differences. we have said cruel things against each other. but at the end of the day, we're able to shake hands and to think in the interests of south africa, and he has had an experience which i have not had. and if my organization comes out with a majority in this elections, i will have to depend very much on his support, his experience. >> what happens when...
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bush and mrs. bush. >>> another former president is remembering mandela today. president bill clinton, who talked with the anchor of this week, george stephanopoulos. >> he once told me that he lived on hatred, when he went into prison. he said after 11 years he realized that they had taken about everything they could take from him except his mind and heart. he said, i realized that those are things you have to give away, and i decided not to give them away. >> mahatma gandhi, abe lincoln, george washington. he belongs in that group. >> he does. you know, in my lifetime, gandhi and mandela, in no small measure, because of their willingness to give up the comforts of ordinary life, they symbolize the world we'd all like to live in, if we could just be a little bigger, if we could be a little more like them. >> president clinton with george stephanopoulos, president clinton once asked mandela if he still hated his oppressors, mandela answered, nope, they had me 27 years in prison, if i hated them when i walked out the door, they would still have me. >>> and now, w
bush and mrs. bush. >>> another former president is remembering mandela today. president bill clinton, who talked with the anchor of this week, george stephanopoulos. >> he once told me that he lived on hatred, when he went into prison. he said after 11 years he realized that they had taken about everything they could take from him except his mind and heart. he said, i realized that those are things you have to give away, and i decided not to give them away. >> mahatma...
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. >> this is a special mass for mr. mandela. >> reporter: tears and keers capturing the love for father as south africans called mandela. the greatest memorial may be the faces, black and white together, parents bring children who will live a life madiba made possible. >> they were born free in south africa. they experience all the fruit. >> reporter: which pride and legacy, there is also lochlts one man has mandela's image on his car and says he hasn't been able to sleep or eat sense he heard the news. >> how can i live without madiba? i'm so sad. >> reporter: the long good bye will continue all week, adding to the legend and legacy of nelson mandela. you know on friday they had a ceremony for nelson mandela, a traditional african one where they closed his eyes. wherever he is, i hope his ears are opened, to hear this, this is what they say would be the greatest memorial for fell nnel mandela, living apart. that's what's going on right now as a buildup to tomorrow t. kind of sendoff and a memorial we haven't seen. 90,0
. >> this is a special mass for mr. mandela. >> reporter: tears and keers capturing the love for father as south africans called mandela. the greatest memorial may be the faces, black and white together, parents bring children who will live a life madiba made possible. >> they were born free in south africa. they experience all the fruit. >> reporter: which pride and legacy, there is also lochlts one man has mandela's image on his car and says he hasn't been able to...
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>> well, there is a response from his office, which is mr. mandela deserves to be remembered and honored for his sacrifices in pursuit of freedom, for the oppressed and his historic achievements to that end. that's from a spokeswoman, ka katherine frazier. he's aware there has been a negative response from some conservatives. he got similar not as negative, but some negative response when he supported the gillibrand amendment that had to do with sexual assault in the military, a complicated bill we can talk about at another time, but he also got brush back from conservatives on that. >> we'll watch you tackle this and other stories coming up in five minutes. i'll let you go. jake tapper on "the lead." thank you very much. >>> have you seen this video? i know you're all tweeting what happens to the video. we will tell you, next. are you flo? yes. is this the thing you gave my husband? well, yeah, yes. the "name your price" tool. you tell us the price you want to pay, and we give you a range of options to choose from. careful, though -- that ki
>> well, there is a response from his office, which is mr. mandela deserves to be remembered and honored for his sacrifices in pursuit of freedom, for the oppressed and his historic achievements to that end. that's from a spokeswoman, ka katherine frazier. he's aware there has been a negative response from some conservatives. he got similar not as negative, but some negative response when he supported the gillibrand amendment that had to do with sexual assault in the military, a...